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	<title>Huddled Masses &#187; Memes</title>
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		<title>SysAdmins, scripters, developers and memes</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 03:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joel 'Jaykul' Bennett</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, I&#8217;ve been called out on this latest meme posting by /\/\o\/\/ and although I usually just ignore these things, As with any curious developer, I had to trace this thing back to it&#8217;s root cause &#8230; it turns out this started as a Software Development thing, and it was altered into a sort of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>So, I&#8217;ve been <a href="http://thepowershellguy.com/blogs/posh/archive/2008/06/17/scripting-sysadmin-meme.aspx">called out</a> on this latest <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme">meme</a> posting by <a href="http://thepowershellguy.com/">/\/\o\/\/</a> and although I usually just ignore these things,</p>

	<p>As with any curious developer, I had to <a href="http://get-powershell.com/">trace</a> <a href="http://scriptolog.blogspot.com/2008/06/scripting-sysadmin-meme.html">this</a> <a href="http://www.mindofroot.com/2008/06/10/scriptingsysadmin-meme/">thing</a> <a href="http://larryclarkin.com/2008/06/10/SoftwareDevelopmentMemeOrTagIAmNext.aspx">back</a> <a href="http://www.joshholmes.com/2008/06/06/SoftwareDevelopmentMeme.aspx">to</a> <a href="http://www.jeffblankenburg.com/2008/06/software-development-meme.html">it&#8217;s</a> <a href="http://www.codinggeekette.com/2008/06/sarahs-steps-into-software-development.aspx">root</a> <a href="http://www.michaeleatonconsulting.com/blog/archive/2008/06/04/how-did-you-get-started-in-software-development.aspx">cause</a> &#8230; it turns out this started as a Software Development thing, and it was altered into a sort of SysAdmin thing.</p>

	<p>So, since I&#8217;m putting up with this in the first place, I think I&#8217;ll go back to that original developer-oriented list of questions, if you don&#8217;t mind.  <img src='http://huddledmasses.org/wordpress/wp-includes/' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

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	<h4>How old were you when you started programming?</h4>

	<p>I got my first computer shortly after my family moved back to the <span class="caps">USA</span> from Costa Rica, just in time for 9th grade &#8230; before that I&#8217;d never seen a computer better than my Atari 6400 game machine.</p>

	<h4>How did you get started in programming?</h4>

	<p>I bought that &#8220;computer&#8221; second-hand &#8212; it was an Atari 800XL, and it came with a cartridge for Atari <span class="caps">BASIC</span>, and a stack of magazines with code in them. That&#8217;s pretty much all there is to it, I was hooked.</p>

	<h4>What was your first language?</h4>

	<p><span class="caps">BASIC</span>. First Atari, then QW, then &#8230; well, Visual Basic Script, believe it or not.</p>

	<h4>What was the first real program you wrote?</h4>

	<p>You mean BlackJack for the Atari doesn&#8217;t count?  I guess the first <em>real</em> program I wrote was one I wrote at work to randomize test cases &#8230;</p>

	<h4>What languages have you used since you started programming? </h4>

	<p>Basic, Visual Basic, C/C++, C#, Java, Perl, <span class="caps">PHP</span>, a bunch of automation languages like batch and shell scripts, VB script and VB for Applications, MS Test Basic, Rational&#8217;s SQABasic, AutoIt, AutoHotkey, ScriptIt, and a slew of web languages like JavaScript, VB Script, <span class="caps">HTML</span>, <span class="caps">XML</span> ... and of course, lets not forget <span class="caps">SQL</span> (although I kind-of wish I could).</p>

	<h4>What was your first professional programming gig?</h4>

	<p>Not counting a few tiny web-sites I did in college &#8230; my first programming job was at Xerox, where I started out doing software testing, started automating the testing, and then moved to writing and maintaining apps, web sites etc.</p>

	<h4>If you knew then what you know now, would you have started programming?</h4>

	<p>Absolutely.  I love what I do, and I love that I work in a job where every year there&#8217;s new languages, new tools, new challenges, and new and more clever solutions.</p>

	<h4>If there is one thing you learned along the way that you would tell new developers, what would it be? </h4>

	<p>There&#8217;s really only three kinds of programmers: Web developers, Database developers, System developers.  Take a database class and a web-design class early on and figure out what you want to be &#8212; then work hard to make sure you don&#8217;t end up being the wrong kind of programmer  <img src='http://huddledmasses.org/wordpress/wp-includes/' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

	<h4>What&#8217;s the most fun you&#8217;ve ever had &#8230; programming?</h4>

	<p>I think I&#8217;d have to say that the memory that stands out the most was working on the open source project <a href="http://www.geoshell.org">GeoShell</a> &#8230; it&#8217;s mostly died off now (although I&#8217;m still threatening to ressurect it later this year), but at it&#8217;s height it was a near ideal interaction of passionate users, laid back developers, and <em>cool</em> software that made everyone ask: &#8220;whoah, what&#8217;s that you&#8217;re running?&#8221;</p>

	<p>I guess I should call someone else out, right? That&#8217;s how these silly posts become memes. How about <a href="http://www.leeholmes.com/blog/">Lee Holmes</a>, <a href="http://blog.vyvojar.cz/jachymko/">Jachymko</a> and <a href="http://cmschill.net/stringtheory/">Mark Schill</a> &#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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